Disturbing questions to ask Atheists

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So a few weeks ago I had an interesting conversation with Wil at Placeholder Films. I ran my mouth long as I often do, but it was an interesting conversation. I explained how I walked all the way from Atheism Central to Vatican City, but in the second half hour I had some questions for him that I was certain would convince a rational person that there is something intensely ideological and rather predictable about the way Atheists think. I was really pretty sure that with some reflection, almost all his answers were faith statements, or let’s call them sentiment. I got them all from conversations with Atheists and things I would sometimes think when I was an Atheist.

A lot of people found these questions and answers interesting so I’m pasting them below the video conversation we had. And we’re scheduled to talk with Wil again tomorrow around 2pm Eastern on his channel. Can’t wait!

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Here were the questions I asked this bright young man. Do you the listener/supporter or even critic/”skeptic” have suggestions on how to sharpen the questions? Because I think this informal experiment bears repeating for any Christians or members of other religions:

Answer Yes or No (or “lean mostly yes” or “lean mostly no”):

1 Atheism is not a belief, it’s lack of belief. It is totally non-ideological.
2 Atheism says nothing whatsoever about your personality or your views.
3 Atheism is about science, logic, reason, and evidence. Religion is the opposite of those things.
4 Atheism is about facts over feelings.
5 Atheism frees minds and teaches people how to think for themselves.
6 There is no evidence for God

7 Science is how we determine if things are true or not.
8 The reason we can trust science is that it frequently overturns itself if it turns out to be wrong.
9 Science is something that helps you overcome religion.
10 Religion is delusional or brainwashing.
11 Overcoming religion is a good thing because it’s backward superstition holding back human progress and enlightenment.

12 Skepticism is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific.
13 Occam’s Razor is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific.

14 If you see something that seems impossible, you must have imagined it or were always just fooled.
15 The laws of physics don’t change or, if they do, they only change in ways scientists can predict and measure.

16 The human mind is entirely a property or function or emergent effects of chemicals in the brain and/or Central Nervous System.
17 There are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature.
18 The laws of physics are explained by science.

19 If God exists, human beings are intelligent, wise, and moral enough to pass judgement on God’s actions and motives.

20 It is appropropriate to worry about the effects of religion on people, but there’s no reason to worry about Atheism.

(Prepared for a podcast.)

Update: Screen shot of original article before this update here: http://imgur.com/a/BuBlw

(Provided because Atheists tend to quickly pounce on any deviation as an act of bad faith):

Here is how I marked Wil’s answers:

1 Atheism is not a belief, it’s lack of belief. It is totally non-ideological. Yes
2 Atheism says nothing whatsoever about your personality or your views. Yes
3 Atheism is about science, logic, reason, and evidence. Religion is the opposite of those things. No/not
4 Atheism is about facts over feelings. Yes
5 Atheism frees minds and teaches people how to think for themselves. Neutral
6 There is no evidence for God. Yes

7 Science is how we determine if things are true or not. Yes
8 The reason we can trust science is that it frequently overturns itself if it turns out to be wrong. No
9 Science is something that helps you overcome religion. NO
10 Religion is delusional or brainwashing. Yes
11 Overcoming religion is a good thing because it’s backward superstition holding back human progress and enlightenment. Yes

12 Skepticism is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific. No (but core, needed)
13 Occam’s Razor is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific. Yes

14 If you see something that seems impossible, you must have imagined it or were always just fooled. NO
15 The laws of physics don’t change or, if they do, they only change in ways scientists can predict and measure. No* (quantum objection)

16 The human mind is entirely a property or function or emergent effects of chemicals. in the brain and/or Central Nervous System. Yes
17 There are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature. Yes
18 The laws of physics are explained by science. Yes

19 If God exists, human beings are intelligent, wise, and moral enough to pass judgement on God’s actions and motives. Yes

20 It is appropropriate to worry about the effects of religion on people, but there’s no reason to worry about Atheism. No

 

Once again Wil is not to be crucified for his responses (pun intended) because they were asked off the top of his head, the fact that they are general sentiment not ironclad ideas is accepted, where he took exception I noted he took some exception and you can decide what you think. But here were his answers. And any serious Non-Atheist would answer “No” to most or all these questions, and almost any Atheist would be predicted to lean “Yes” on most of them.

“Atheist/Skeptic/Rationalist” community you have an ideology problem and it’s quite glaring. Especially when you keep screaming that you can ‘t have one.

Wil’s answers:

1 Atheism is not a belief, it’s lack of belief. It is totally non-ideological. Yes
2 Atheism says nothing whatsoever about your personality or your views. Yes
3 Atheism is about science, logic, reason, and evidence. Religion is the opposite of those things. No
4 Atheism is about facts over feelings. Yes
5 Atheism frees minds and teaches people how to think for themselves. Neutral
6 There is no evidence for God. Yes

7 Science is how we determine if things are true or not. Yes
8 The reason we can trust science is that it frequently overturns itself if it turns out to be wrong. No
9 Science is something that helps you overcome religion. No (some maybe)
10 Religion is delusional or brainwashing. Yes
11 Overcoming religion is a good thing because it’s backward superstition holding back human progress and enlightenment. Yes

12 Skepticism is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific. No (but core, needed)
13 Occam’s Razor is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific. Yes

14 If you see something that seems impossible, you must have imagined it or were always just fooled. NO
15 The laws of physics don’t change or, if they do, they only change in ways scientists can predict and measure. No* (quantum objection)

16 The human mind is entirely a property or function or emergent effects of chemicals. in the brain and/or Central Nervous System. Yes
17 There are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature. Yes
18 The laws of physics are explained by science. Yes

19 If God exists, human beings are intelligent, wise, and moral enough to pass judgement on God’s actions and motives. Yes

20 It is appropropriate to worry about the effects of religion on people, but there’s no reason to worry about Atheism. No

  • Peebo1

    Hello!

    Was wandering through the wilds of the interwebz and found your presentation and hence this site. 🙂

    Myself? I’m happy to identify as a “Non-theist”. My meaning of such a word is that I simply see absolutely no evidence for any deity. None, nada, nothing to indicate any divine type being.

    So, for my take at answering your questions. 🙂

    1 Atheism is not a belief, it’s lack of belief. It is totally non-ideological.
    “Yes”. This is a correct summation/use of the word in my view/opinion.

    2 Atheism says nothing whatsoever about your personality or your views.
    “Yes” This is a correct summation on my view on this topic which doesn’t effect my views on any other topic.

    3 Atheism is about science, logic, reason, and evidence. Religion is the opposite of those things.
    “No”. I might use logic and evidence and clear thinking and all those other things but it’s not ‘Science’ which is connected to my non-theism.

    4 Atheism is about facts over feelings.
    “No”. Working out what is and is not true/real about the world around me doesn’t have anything to do ‘with’ my non-theism.

    5 Atheism frees minds and teaches people how to think for themselves.
    “Neutral” There are definitely many beliefs (Sever communism, socialism, Scientology and other cults) which seek to indoctrinate such that people MUST only believe what the doctrines of those beliefs espouse.

    6 There is no evidence for God
    “Yes”. If you’ve got something, please share. (^_^)

    7 Science is how we determine if things are true or not.
    “No” The scientific method is currently the best system we have of working out what is(Might) be happening in the reality around us. It’s been working great so far. This is not to say we won’t suddenly think of/find some other way of looking at the world/reality which works better/Gives better results.

    8 The reason we can trust science is that it frequently overturns itself if it turns out to be wrong.
    “No” The scientific method is not just ‘self correcting’ but is able to be used to make future predictions about things that prove invaluable in our dealings with reality.

    9 Science is something that helps you overcome religion.
    “No” The scientific method doesn’t say anything, really, about what people believe or think etc. It is simply our current best guess of the reality around us.

    10 Religion is delusional or brainwashing.
    “Neutral” As stated before some religions/beliefs/cults etc do do this.

    11 Overcoming religion is a good thing because it’s backward superstition holding back human progress and enlightenment.
    “Neutral” Again, some beliefs, religions, cults do attempt to hold back progress and enlightenment.

    12 Skepticism is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific.
    “No” I am pretty sure the word ‘Skepticism’ is independent of the scientific method. Though it would most certainly seem to apply to the scientific method.

    13 Occam’s Razor is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific.
    “No” It’s a saying that has value but it’s not a ‘Principle’ nor is it intrinsically scientific.

    14 If you see something that seems impossible, you must have imagined it or were always just fooled.
    “Neutral” The question is both vague in its phrasing as well as open ended in its interpretation.

    15 The laws of physics don’t change or, if they do, they only change in ways scientists can predict and measure.
    “No” There are no actual ‘Laws of physics”. There are our current best guess models of what we think is happening in the world with which people make many uses and predictions with. The many fields of science, however, are constantly seeking and striving to learn/make said guesses better all the time.

    16 The human mind is entirely a property or function or emergent
    effects of chemicals in the brain and/or Central Nervous System.
    “Yes” Not being versed in Neuro-bioligy etc I can only go by the vague readings available in popular science magazines and what they reveal about the field. However, there seems to be nothing else within the skull-box other than the neurons so….

    17 There are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature.
    “No” We are currently seeking to learn more about the reality around us and may, indeed, find ‘Other’ things. However it would seem that the Higg’s Boson is the last sub atomic particle within the physics that we know of. This doesn’t, however, mean that the mystery of ‘Dark matter’ and ‘Dark energy’ have been resolved/solved.

    18 The laws of physics are explained by science.
    “Yes”

    19 If God exists, human beings are intelligent, wise, and moral enough to pass judgement on God’s actions and motives.
    “Yes” Humans aren’t ‘stupid’. If there is ‘Something else’ and it has been interacting with reality then its actions and their results can be weighed and measured etc.

    20 It is appropriate to worry about the effects of religion on people, but there’s no reason to worry about Atheism.
    “Yes” As mentioned about cults etc.

    Hope my answers are interesting and worth further discussions. (^_^)

    • Escaping Atheism ن​

      There is simply no reason for Non-Atheists to trust anyone who answers “yes” to most of these questions. Certainly those “yes” answers are, in many cases, good reason to not want our children dating or spending time with you, and certainly reason to not want you in any position of public authority. They also, often, mark you as a science illiterate. Rationally, based on evidence.

      • Peebo1

        Um.. pardon?

        I think there’s a miscommunication some where along the line.

        I am interested that you find my ideas misinformed. It is not that I ‘Believe there is no deity’. My view is that I have found a severe lack of evidence of such. That a deity might actually exist some where/when is a possibility. The details of such, however, are lacking to my knowledge Please forward your information about a deity.

        I answered ‘Yes” to (1) as the definition following the word as it seems correct as written/given. Your response to my thoughts about your question are slightly odd.

        • mi raz

          Thank you, Peebo1. I was hoping Dean could elaborate more on your misinformed and indoctrinated beliefs. However, I have seen enough to think that he will again turn to insults and nothing more.

          • Peebo1

            🙂

            Thanks.

            I’m guessing that since it’s the holiday season and such that he, like most folks, is just a tad busy with things right now. 🙂

      • Saint_Matthew

        “It’s weird you actually believe there’s no evidence for God”

        If there is evidence for god then please feel free to provide it. A lot of theists claim to have evidence for different god claims, but as of yet none of them have been able to provide said evidence.

        So what ya got for me?

        • Logorrheic

          ….The Bible is evidence 🙂

          • Peebo1

            No, the Bible is a document relating the claims. Much like a Physics text book relates the details of the fusion processes happening within the Sun. The book is not the Sun. To claim ‘The bible is evidence of the Bible.” is rather circular.

          • The Bible isn’t a science text, and those who claim it is are idiots. Or disingenuous. Or both.

      • Logorrheic

        No offense, but you’re kinda retarded. Not literally, in case you’re autistic and I have to remind you. It’s called a hyperbole.

      • France

        Atheism is literally defined as having a lack of belief. How do you explain this?

  • Eric

    Careful, your position seems as haughty as the “atheists” you deride. The carefully considered atheistic position might be very well justified. Your theistic position might be very well justified, too. I don’t see any indication of that here, but I don’t discount the possibility. I don’t have to presume that others are insincere or ignorant simply because I disagree with them. All of the arguments I’ve examined justifying belief in a god are simply uncompelling, irrelevant, or fallacious. Have I examined them incorrectly? I don’t think so, but I don’t automatically discount that possibility, either. I just see no indication for any gods, and based on the arguments I’ve seen from apologists and theists, the position seems to me indistinguishable from an assumed conclusion. I obviously cannot speak to every theist, nor carefully examine every conceivable argument, but I can examine a lot, and when I know of nothing that appears to be an indication of the gods in nature, so continuing to examine the arguments starts to feel like an exercise in futility. Much of your language in this post (and “The Ridiculousness of Atheism” post) reflects a tired, inflammatory approach. Your questions are not disturbing, and they are much better answered with more than a yes or no. People have a tendency to form groups with individuals they share commonality with, and the same is true of people who (at least profess) to have cast off a certain set of beliefs. I find that carefully considered atheists do not relate to these groups in the way you imply with your post. I know that I don’t, and I don’t deny that many people can be irrational, gullible, and ignorant whether they are theists or atheists. There’s far more to it than that. Take care.

    • Escaping Atheism ن​

      You look like a typical preening, pretending-to-be-neutral, morally and intellectually superior Atheist spouting the typical talking points. Come back when you have something interesting to say that couldn’t be torn out of a Richard Dawkins coloring book.

      • Eric

        You seem very triggered. I’ll leave you to your safe space. I had thought that by starting a blog you’d be interested in dispassionate and reasonable discussion. Thank you for relieving me of that mistaken impression. Take care.

        • Escaping Atheism ن​

          Yep, typical paint-by-numbers Atheist. You have nothing to offer. Go back to your Atheist hugbox where no one ever challenges your beliefs. Do not come back until you learn to be honest. Cheers!

          • Eric

            In what way have I been dishonest? I welcome a challenge to my beliefs. Do you have any?

          • Escaping Atheism ن​

            Hmm, let’s see. As a typical Atheist, you rote-repeat all sorts of predictable Atheist bullshit. Let’s go line by line for just a few:

            “Careful, your position seems as haughty as the ‘atheists’ you deride. ”

            Why would an Atheist–which is what you are–be anyone to lecture anyone about being “haughty.” What do you care if anyone is haughty? By the way, just giving such advice makes you haughty–like a typical Atheist.

            Also, you intentionally put Atheist in scare-quotes, to help imply that anyone who doubts God is an Atheist–a typical cultist move. Really, you started digging your hole from the beginning. Very visibly. Like the typical Atheist cultist you present yourself as, while piously prertending merely to be rational. What’s next, claiming you are “evidence based” as opposed to those theists?

            Also, offering style points to theists, like we owe you something? Fuck off, Atheist.

            “The carefully considered atheistic position might be very well justified. Your theistic position might be very well justified, too. I don’t see any indication of that here, but I don’t discount the possibility.”

            Carefully considered Atheist positions are very rare in the modern world. Nietzche was carefully considered. Sartre was carefully considered. Some of the Epicureans were considered. The average modern Atheist? Sloppy, stupid, shallow, asinine, barely literatue. If you haven’t noticed the paint-by-numbers, shallow nature of your arguments, it’s likely because you’re a Fellow Traveller.

            The fact that you “don’t see any indication here”: typical Atheist. As if careful consideration were not already on ample display in this video and this article. Clearly, you’re just another shallow Atheist who doesn’t listen and pays no attention to evidence. In another conversation, you’d doubtlessly lie and say “there’s no evidence.” Seriously, you’re easily picked off as a deeply indoctrinated Atheist from jump.

            “I don’t have to presume that others are insincere or ignorant simply because I disagree with them.”

            Except that of course this is an outright lie. Your entire response indicates you’re lying in this sentence. Why lie, Atheist?

            “All of the arguments I’ve examined justifying belief in a god are simply uncompelling, irrelevant, or fallacious.”

            I don’t believe for one second you’ve listened to any real arguments, including arguments presented here. You appear to just be another full of shit Atheist. Based on evidence, logic, and considerable experience.

            “I just see no indication for any gods, and based on the arguments I’ve seen from apologists and theists…”

            Typical Atheist claim. Clearly well-indoctrinated and well-trained. Also clearly full of shit. You’re just another lying Atheist. Most religious should realize this: most of you Atheists never stop lying.

            “…the position seems to me indistinguishable from an assumed conclusion…”

            Typical Atheist dodge. You are assuming the Atheist conclusion, and repeating the Atheist line. Then accusing others of your very own crime. A very predictable, typical Atheist cultist move. Are you with Sam Harris, Penn Jillette, or one of the newer faces? Your cult’s nothing if not predictable.

            I could keep going, but I won’t bother. You emerge as the typical shallow, dishonest, weaselly Atheist liar, condescending, shallow, and pretending you’re going to bring the rest of us enlightenment. I suggest you let the grown-ups who understand complicated ideas, like Science and History and Evidence and Logic, teach you. No one’s got anything to learn from you on this matter except how to be a shallow asshole, and shallow Atheist assholes are a dime a dozen.

            Never trust an Atheist. Atheists always lie.

          • Eric

            Cute. Is it “grown up” to call someone a “shallow asshole” for politely asking questions? Do you find that your hostility helps or hinders learning? You might notice I have avoided insult in all of my posts, which is in stark contrast to every one of yours. I hope you find the help you need.

          • How cute of you to pretend that most questions Atheists ask these days are polite.

          • Mr. Cuddly Brownbear

            Eric literally attempted to have a proper conversation about the subject, but you shot that down just by classifying him as a “lying atheist.”

          • mi raz

            I was hoping that you had more to say than “typical atheist”, “atheists always lie”, or “typical atheist bullshit”. There was nothing of substance behind the ad hominem rhetoric.

            Dean, you’re like an angry chihuahua that barks at everyone, then when backed into a corner you try to bite yet you have no teeth. Where are your teeth? I would love to hear more substance from you because you claim to be able to go on and on yet the only thing you offer is a couple name drops and ad hominem.

            I, personally, need more information from you so I can get a better picture of your arguments. I don’t have the time to devote studying every piece of philosophy or science. That’s why I visit these types of blogs and wed sites to learn quickly without wading through the time consuming “fat” to get to the “meat” of the topic. I am genuinely interested in your proofs as you see them (as was Eric).

          • Ghost of Buckley

            But it is true. Atheists do lie. A lot.

          • mi raz

            All atheists are human and individuals. If given enough time I could find atheist more honest than you. Are you also saying you never lie? Also, by what standard are you using to state your claim. What makes a lie? If someone believes in A flat earth, but believes it whole heartedly, even though it is completely false are they a liar? If so then everyone fits that bill at some point or another. That is a very vague blanket statement. Please be more specific.

          • Ghost of Buckley

            Atheism is an ideology that pushes pseudo-science and false history. It also claims it is not an ideology when it clearly is.

          • mi raz

            I can grant that atheism could be viewed as an ideology, but saying it pushes pseudo-science I am greatly interested in. Could you provide an example?

          • Ghost of Buckley

            Richard Dawkins’ garbage memetic theory

          • mi raz

            I was not familiar with the meme theory, but quick research found that Dawkins didn’t really put it forward as a theory nor does he talk about it in anything more than an idea or at best a hypothesis. That said I’m not sure what makes it pseudoscience.

            Keep in mind I am doing this on 10-20 minutes of free time hear and there.

          • Ghost of Buckley

            It came from his equally garbage selfish gene idea.

          • mi raz

            I was familiar with it’s origin. Where you find it doesn’t really help in your case. Is the only argument you have is calling something garbage? I was hoping you would have more fodder for intellectual conversation. Calling something garbage or anything else is fine, but when it’s the only thing you provide against what your arguing it lowers my confidence in that you actually understand what you are talking about.

            ive been trying to see things from your point of view yet it seems like you are being disingenuous and don’t really care about helping me “escape atheism”

            This is my guess at what you will say next.
            “Typical lying atheists reply. You clearly don’t know what you are talking about so I won’t waste my time with you. How can you believe in all that garbage. I made my point very clear it is YOU that is being disingenuous. I’ m finished here”

            if I missed something please add more.

          • France

            How is not believing in God an ideology, specifically?

          • Pierre

            How do you know atheists lie?

          • Escaping Atheism ن​

            Because it’s obvious to those of us not in the grip of a cult. You’re like 5 year olds trying to sneak something behind your back.

          • Pierre

            Give me some of the best examples you have of atheists lying.

          • Escaping Atheism ن​

            Aw shucks, I didn’t know you cared. But no. If it’s not obvious to you, then pointing it out isn’t going to do a darn bit of good.

          • Pierre

            So you don’t have any examples of atheists lying. If so, why do you so adamantly proclaim they are liars?

          • Escaping Atheism ن​

            Because they’re liars and even atheists know it: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/in-atheists-we-distrust/

          • Tony Benz

            Last time I checked atheist voted democrat so if anything you should run to you safe space

          • HelenaConstantine

            Atheism is not a belief, cretin, and you have offered absolutely nothing that could serve as evidence for theism.

          • Ghost of Buckley

            Atheism is a belief.

          • France

            Atheism is a belief.

            in what exactly?

          • Escaping Atheism ن​

            In the concept there is no God. From the positive assertion that there is no God, many other points of philosophy/worldview must follow, including moral relativism. This isn’t hard. The vast majority of what you think about the world can be seen in communist type manifestos. (Unless your libertarian – it’s either control everyone or let chaos rein, I’ve got mine) Everyone except militant online atheists seem to get that, which is why atheists are the least trusted of any grouping by religious thought.

            Maybe someday you’ll have the courage enough to be wrong – to at least doubt the powers of your intellect and say “I don’t know for sure and will never, at least in this life”. And if does, we’re happy to help you find some peace. No need to go full on Mother Theresa, just “I might be wrong about this God thing” is all it will take. Best of luck and God bless.

          • France

            In the concept there is no God

            This is factually incorrect. Atheism is a rejection of the claim “god exists”.

            What other views are necessary if I reject the claim God exists? This is a very, very simple question which you haven’t answered.

          • Pierre

            Some atheists do hold the belief that there is no god. But that’s not a requirement to be an atheist.

          • Stefan Bjarnason

            You say, “(m)aybe someday you’ll have the courage enough to be wrong – to at least doubt the powers of your intellect and say ‘I don’t know for sure and will never, at least in this life.'”

            I find it hard to believe that you haven’t understood that this is precisely the position that atheists tend to take. I can’t speak for all of those who remain unconvinced by the god claim, but I can assure you that if convincing evidence of the existence of a god were to come to light, sensible people – including rational atheists – would believe. That is all we’ve been asking for. Evidence. And that’s precisely why we’re perfectly happy to admit to not being certain of there being no gods and the reason that we say “not believing in a god is NOT the same as believing there is no god.” Prove to me there is one and I will believe. It’s just that, in spite of your claims, you’ve failed to do so.

          • Escaping Atheism ن​

            “I find it hard to believe that you haven’t understood that this is precisely the position that atheists tend to take.”

            Do y’all get together & think “I’ll reprove every negative assertion of the other side of the discussion”?

            I stated in the conversation with “France” that the need to redefine words is a discussion you’ve lost before you started.

            If you really believed “I don’t know”, you’d be agnostic and feel no need to even comment on a website called Escaping Atheism. If I can get anyone to truly agnostic, then I’m done as far as I’m concerned. But you’re not agnostic and we both know that

            ” That is all we’ve been asking for. Evidence.”

            No, y’all mostly are about picking fights with strangers and being rude to the safest people on the planet to be rude to – the Christian religious.

            How about, instead, pick up a book or 12. There are literally thousands of years of apologetic and philosophy books. (I’ve heard there’s this place called Amazon.com where you can almost any book still in print) There are websites and YouTube channels which we’ve documented here.

            https://escapingatheism.com/resources/

            In other words, stop asking strangers to do your thinking and research for you. Healthy humans believe in a Creator. You can fix your spiritual problems without being an a*hole to your fellow humans.

          • Stefan Bjarnason

            Hello,

            I’m out of the office this week and won’t be back until Monday, March 27. I’ll check my email every day and will get back to you as soon as I can. Your patience is appreciated.
            Best regards,
            Stefan

          • France

            What word have I redefined? I’m not agnostic, as the definition States: nothing is known or can be known about the nature or existence of God.

            I don’t BELIEVE a God exists. That’s what atheism directly describes. Agnosticism doesn’t describe beliefs about God at all

          • Escaping Atheism ن​

            You’re at the point of spamming of the site. It’s really not interesting to discuss why your authoritarian definition of a word is the correct one when you absolutely reject other people’s authoritarian definitions. I’m sure there are dictionaries you could go argue with.

            Our resources list is here: https://escapingatheism.com/resources/
            Go read and digest something interesting and the level of your conversation will improve 10,000%.

            Banning is the next step unless can come up with a topic interesting by my definition. I’d suggest developing your own dictionary website if you’d like to continue on this topic.

          • France

            Atheism noun disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. What part of this word am I redefining, specifically?

            Perhaps you could point me to a common use English language dictionary which has your definition, so I know what I am apparently rejecting?

          • Escaping Atheism ن​

            Yep, dictionary definitions. *sigh*

            My definition is here: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/atheism . It was strenuous work, all of a 30 second Google. This magic ability comes when you aren’t reading propaganda sites exclusively.

            Again, last warning. Bring the conversation out of special needs category or your user id is banned. Tired of losing IQ skimming your posts.

          • France

            It specifically references not believing in a Supreme being. What part of this do you find confusing, specifically?

          • Escaping Atheism ن​

            ” I can’t speak for all of those who remain unconvinced by the god claim, but I can assure you that if convincing evidence of the existence of a god were to come to light, sensible people – including rational atheists – would believe. ”

            Ha, ha, ha.

            There is evidence. You deny it exists. I am sure that if God Himself came down, held classes Himself about his nature, and put them online with billions, you’d be holding out for more evidence.

            Denial is not just a river in Egypt, it’s what atheists do best. Go find some evidence if that’s what you really want (but you don’t). You can even find it here in video form: https://escapingatheism.com/resources/

          • Pierre

            One doesn’t need to hold the belief that there is no god to be an atheist. All it takes is to not hold the belief that there is a god. But perhaps that’s not what this site is about. Perhaps it’s about the word ‘atheism’ (or ‘atheist’) and not the concept of not believing a god exists.

          • Escaping Atheism ن​

            Okay, you’re gone.

          • mi raz

            As ridiculous the argument is, I would refrain from personal insult. It doesn’t help the dialogue

      • HelenaConstantine

        You say this, after post a list of questions that concern factual matters and have right or wrong answers and pretend that they are ideological in nature. That’s right “There are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature” or at least none that can have any effect at the macroscopic level. If magic were real, scientists would have found it out a long time ago,

  • Steven Guy

    These frequently leading questions demonstrate how atheism is either misunderstood here or how atheism is being deceitfully strawmanned by this page.

    Many of these questions can not be answered with simple yes or no answers.

    Noel Plum demolishes this questionnaire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO4r388ZgCc

    • Escaping Atheism ن​

      Yes, it’s demolished because you said so. We are so defeated.

      • Logorrheic

        I doubt you even watched the video :^)

        • Escaping Atheism ن​

          After a while, you don’t have to. 🙂 The reality is they’re arguing with themselves, not us. From “sky fairy” to changing the base definition of words, what atheists attempt to reject are not the concepts that most thinking theists and Christianity in particular understands, but ridiculous ones that everyone should reject. But first, they have pretend you said something you did not or write essays to simple “Yes” or “No” questions.

          • Pierre

            Are you trying to argue against the word ‘atheism’ or against the concept of not believing a god or gods exist?

      • Michelle Abrahmz

        You can lead a moron to knowledge but you can’t make them think.

        • Escaping Atheism ن​

          So how does this response work with this one, which you gave here http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/03/29/how-atheists-seeking-therapy-have-responded-to-the-rise-in-faith-based-counseling/:

          “I’m a qualified counsellor and studying psychotherapy now. It’s part of professional training to work with a client within *their* world view. Help them to find their own answers. Forcing your own beliefs on to someone is unethical.”

          Atheism is a belief system and one abnormal to the human condition. You think everyone who doesn’t believe the way you believe is a moron. Therefore it will be impossible not to force your beliefs on those people in pain and trouble. Preying on the most vulnerable. Subtly discouraging them from praying/church attendance because “everyone” knows it doesn’t work.

          These “this is what I really think when I think noone is looking” types of comments are the reason I’ve distrusted “qualified counselors” for years, assuming you’re not lieing, which atheists tend to do. Counselors are either genuine saints, or are on the wrong side of the couch attempting to fix problems they have no business meddling with. Given your hostility to the state of the normal, healthy condition of the human mind, I’m eliminating genuine saint.

  • Saint_Matthew

    What a pointless waste of time this was. You ask some pointless questions & then come to the conclusion of “well he gave answer to these questions” like that was some how at all meaningful.

    Seriously Dean what exactly was the conclusion or purpose we were meant to draw from this exercise in intellectual navel gazing exactly?

    • Mr. Cuddly Brownbear

      That atheist are evil liars and should not be trusted. Duh.

      No but seriously, these questions are plain traps to answer.

  • Idiot Atheist

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  • De Ha

    I explained how I walked all the way from Atheism Central to Vatican City, but in the second half hour I had some questions for him that I was certain would convince a rational person that there is something intensely ideological and rather predictable about the way Atheists think.

    ***ME***
    You idiot.

    In order for arguing with someone about how they think to actually work, YOU would have to be psychic and THEY would have to be unable to read their own minds.

    Strawmanning someone to their face will never work.

    ***YOU***
    1 Atheism is not a belief, it’s lack of belief. It is totally non-ideological.

    ***ME***
    Yeah

    ***YOU***

    2 Atheism says nothing whatsoever about your personality or your views.

    ***ME***
    Yes

    ***YOU***

    3 Atheism is about science, logic, reason, and evidence. Religion is the opposite of those things.

    ***ME***
    Actually no. Skepticism is about Science and logic.

    ***YOU***

    4 Atheism is about facts over feelings.

    ***ME***
    That’s skepticism.

    ***YOU***

    5 Atheism frees minds and teaches people how to think for themselves.

    ***ME***
    Skepticism frees minds, and often leads to Atheism. Atheism is the conclusion, not the starting point.

    ***YOU***

    6 There is no evidence for God

    ***ME***
    It’s not even us saying that. You guys are the ones who keep saying we should use “Faith” or that trying to use Science to find God is “a categorical mistake”.

    ***YOU***

    7 Science is how we determine if things are true or not.

    ***ME***
    Partly, yes.

    ***YOU***

    8 The reason we can trust science is that it frequently overturns itself if it turns out to be wrong.

    ***ME***
    Uh… yes.

    ***YOU***

    9 Science is something that helps you overcome religion.

    ***ME***
    That is not the purpose of Science. If you *want* to dump religion, just dump religion. It’s more that Mythology contradicts science.

    Psychiatry is at least a century older than Scientology, so it’s ridiculous to say the purpose of Psychology is to oppress Scientology. But, Psychology and Scientology has pretty much the same relationship as Christianity and Science in general.

    ***YOU***

    10 Religion is delusional or brainwashing.

    ***ME***
    Yes

    ***YOU***

    11 Overcoming religion is a good thing because it’s backward superstition holding back human progress and enlightenment.

    ***ME***
    That, and extremist using religion as an excuse to oppress people

    ***YOU***

    12 Skepticism is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific.

    ***ME***
    Other way around. Science relies on questioning everything. And your wording implies that you yourself disagree. Are you saying THINKING is bad?

    ***YOU***

    13 Occam’s Razor is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific.

    ***ME***
    Oh for Satan’s sake. Really? Logic is something you disagree with?

    ***YOU***

    14 If you see something that seems impossible, you must have imagined it or were always just fooled.

    ***ME***
    Skepticism is not that simple.

    ***YOU***

    15 The laws of physics don’t change or, if they do, they only change in ways scientists can predict and measure.

    ***ME***
    What?

    ***YOU***

    16 The human mind is entirely a property or function or emergent effects of chemicals in the brain and/or Central Nervous System.

    ***ME***
    So… Neurology.

    ***YOU***

    17 There are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature.

    ***ME***
    We haven’t explored the Multiverse yet.

    ***YOU***

    18 The laws of physics are explained by science.

    ***ME***
    Your wording is a bit confusing. I mean… the written rules of physics ARE Science. People wrote them after repeated experaments and doing the maths.

    ***YOU***

    19 If God exists, human beings are intelligent, wise, and moral enough to pass judgement on God’s actions and motives.

    ***ME***
    This reminds me of what I call the Charles I Defence. You guys have used it to say we can’t say God is evil, Sovereign Citizens have used it to say cops can’t arrest them, Charles the First of England used it to say the court had no right to execute him.

    Telling people “you have no right to judge me” has never worked on anyone, ever. It got a KING beheaded!

    ***YOU***

    20 It is appropropriate to worry about the effects of religion on people, but there’s no reason to worry about Atheism.

    ***ME***
    WTF are you talking about? Why would anyone make an exception like that? Where are you even getting that idea?

  • De Ha

    1 Atheism is not a belief, it’s lack of belief. It is totally non-ideological.

    Yes
    2 Atheism says nothing whatsoever about your personality or your views.

    Well, it says my view on Atheism.
    3 Atheism is about science, logic, reason, and evidence. Religion is the opposite of those things.

    No. Atheism and Science are different things. Atheism is what I DON’T believe. Science is what I DO believe.
    4 Atheism is about facts over feelings.

    That’s Science.
    5 Atheism frees minds and teaches people how to think for themselves.

    That’s Skepticism.
    6 There is no evidence for God

    Yes.

    7 Science is how we determine if things are true or not.

    Some things.
    8 The reason we can trust science is that it frequently overturns itself if it turns out to be wrong.

    Yes.
    9 Science is something that helps you overcome religion.

    One thing, yes.
    10 Religion is delusional or brainwashing.

    Yes.
    11 Overcoming religion is a good thing because it’s backward superstition holding back human progress and enlightenment.

    Yep.

    12 Skepticism is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific.

    Other way around, Sciene requires you to question everything.
    13 Occam’s Razor is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific.

    It’s a logical principal.

    14 If you see something that seems impossible, you must have imagined it or were always just fooled.

    Depends.
    15 The laws of physics don’t change or, if they do, they only change in ways scientists can predict and measure.

    Um… yes

    16 The human mind is entirely a property or function or emergent effects of chemicals in the brain and/or Central Nervous System.

    And brain cels
    17 There are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature.

    Probably
    18 The laws of physics are explained by science.

    Yes

    19 If God exists, human beings are intelligent, wise, and moral enough to pass judgement on God’s actions and motives.

    Anyone can judge anything. If you could only judge things if you had the “Authority” to do so, the French Revolution would never have happened.

    20 It is appropropriate to worry about the effects of religion on people, but there’s no reason to worry about Atheism.

    That makes no sense. Worry about everything.

    • Escaping Atheism ن​

      Oh, look 20 bullet points worth of total lies starting with number 1. Yes, it’s clear atheism does affect your personality because the need for militant online atheists to lie appears to be limitless. They need to lie so badly they hardly know they’re doing it. Which is of course, why people modernly and historically wisely avoided the company of unrepentant and outspoken atheists.

      Here’s the deal. We’ve dealt with your bullet points elsewhere on the site and on the YouTube channel/Twitter and somewhat in the Disqus comments. No, I’m not pointing them out and no, I don’t owe it to you to find it. Go look. This site is not http://strangenotions.com/ – we have limited resources/time. I ban for spam, dishonesty (hint: that’s the entire post), and me having a bad day.

      Our resource list is here: https://escapingatheism.com/resources/. Read some of our point of view, rather than navel gaze/spout boring propaganda and be honest and we’ll have more interest in engaging.

      • De Ha

        Ok, do you even read your own articles or are you so stupid you don’t even remember your last thought? THE ARTICLE has “bullet points” as you call them you fucktard.

        • Escaping Atheism ن​

          Ah, this last comment is worth a ban and delete. If nothing else, atheism seems to erode your ability to be civil and imagine circumstances other than ones that revolve around you.

          I moderate comments in a screen that does not have the article they’re on and people rarely reference them anyway. We’re also a group of people with an ever growing website and not all references/content will be remembered as there are multiple authors. Will update my own response.

  • CodeStation

    Bunch of loaded questions. Dishonest as fuck.

    • Escaping Atheism ن​

      Last warning on the site ban: no swearing and bring the conversation level up to something intelligent. This is place is for those questioning atheism, not atheist therapy.

      • CodeStation

        I think you need to take a look at the banner on your blog before you pretend to have a problem with anything I’ve written in the comments. LOL, you’re a clown, a parody of theism, I’m almost certain.

        • Escaping Atheism ن​

          I tried to care and it didn’t work. 🙂

          This is our blog and our rules and give as good as we get. If we’re rude/crude because we find atheists to be exactly that. Non-believers have no rights whatsoever to attempt to define how believers should act. You’ve stated that you have no wish to be part of a greater humanity – you have all the answers and have no reason to listen to the rest of us.

          Okay, well it turns out it works the other way, too.

  • Martin R. Oakley

    Answering the questions posed by this post:

    1 Atheism is not a belief, it’s lack of belief. It is totally non-ideological.
    Yes. It is not a belief and I’m backed up by the dictionaries and others who share the same viewpoint.

    2 Atheism says nothing whatsoever about your personality or your views.
    Leaning mostly Yes. Depending on how outspoken the person is, or if they’ve been injured by religious abuses.

    3 Atheism is about science, logic, reason, and evidence. Religion is the opposite of those things.
    Yes.

    4 Atheism is about facts over feelings.
    No, that’s science, as has been answered on this page before.

    5 Atheism frees minds and teaches people how to think for themselves.
    No, that’s teaching reasoning, critical thinking, and logic.

    6 There is no evidence for God
    Agree.

    7 Science is how we determine if things are true or not.
    Sometimes. Not always. Science changes as through the scientific method we discover new things, or learn that we were wrong about old.

    8 The reason we can trust science is that it frequently overturns itself if it turns out to be wrong.
    Yes. That’s the reason we can trust it. Because it’s willing to go back and say “Oh, we were wrong” and then correct itself.

    9 Science is something that helps you overcome religion.
    Not always, as it is used by some to validate their religious beliefs, depending on if they take the bible and inerrant, infallible, etc.

    10 Religion is delusional or brainwashing.
    Yes.

    11 Overcoming religion is a good thing because it’s backward superstition holding back human progress and enlightenment.
    Yes and no. It depends on the person. Some need the belief, and I use this word because it fits, crutch. Others don’t. There’s a deeper conversation behind this particular statement.

    12 Skepticism is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific.
    This one’s a bit unclear. Skepticism uses science to prove or disprove something happening, perhaps a rewording of the statement is in order?

    13 Occam’s Razor is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific.
    It’s a tool of logic.

    14 If you see something that seems impossible, you must have imagined it or were always just fooled.
    Depends on the situation. Some things that “seem” impossible have logical and reasonable explanations. When you bring the supernatural into it, that’s when I have to look to science.

    15 The laws of physics don’t change or, if they do, they only change in ways scientists can predict and measure.
    Yes.

    16 The human mind is entirely a property or function or emergent effects of chemicals in the brain and/or Central Nervous System.
    Yes. Consciousness.

    17 There are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature.
    Agree due to the fact that there isn’t scientific evidence of them or anything apart from our physical nature.

    18 The laws of physics are explained by science.
    Yes.

    19 If God exists, human beings are intelligent, wise, and moral enough to pass judgement on God’s actions and motives.
    Trick question as you’re mainly asking atheists these questions.

    20 It is appropropriate to worry about the effects of religion on people, but there’s no reason to worry about Atheism.
    No. No matter what belief or lack thereof, it can be taken to extremes.

    In conclusion, many of these questions cannot be answered with yes or no, or leaning one way or the other. Many are deep questions that involve a lot more than the simple black and white answer of yes or no.

    • Escaping Atheism ن​

      Just as a side note to number 1, we do not use “lack of belief” as a definition of atheism on this site nor will this particular moderator continue to discuss the point. You will find our definitions, straight of the dictionary, here: https://escapingatheism.com/definitions

      As for the rest, no, it’s not essay questions. We don’t need to understand your answers. It’s just test of your relative atheism. Sorry. That you insist on “lack of belief” and need to “explain” it is just marker of how deeply rooted are in the cult of atheism. “Yes” suffices perfectly well.

      • Martin R. Oakley

        Just a response: Your site, apparently you can define as you want it. You accuse Atheists of changing definitions of words and concepts, so I’d think you wouldn’t do so yourselves.

        Yes, actually, the questions at times need to be more in depth than a yes or a no by the actual nature of the questions you ask. The questions are loaded, and to simply put yes or no (or as you allowed leaning yes or no) without a further examination would be intellectually dishonest of any “test” of this type. Again, something I would think you would want on any true site of the type you are purporting to run.

        • Escaping Atheism ن​

          This site is for those attempting to escape atheism. It is not for those trying to dig deeper into cults by redefining common words or creating essay answers to online Yes/No tests to pass ideological purity tests.

          When you’re ready to leave atheism, happy to have you back. Until then go watch a movie or something. It’s a better use of both of our time.

          • Martin R. Oakley

            So, if honesty isn’t your bag, then misrepresenting with rhetoric is. Got ya. Thanks.

          • Escaping Atheism ن​

            I love the truth. That’s why I work this website. You’re hanging out with liars.

            All you need to do is click that link I provided and you’ll discover that “lack of belief” is a brand new definition meant reel people like you in and keep you from trying to understand the world.

            This post has the etymology of the word atheism: https://escapingatheism.com/2017/03/31/the-etymology-of-atheism/

            Read something real, if you dare to look.

          • Martin R. Oakley

            I actually did, then commented with a correction that Eve wouldn’t publish. It’s becoming a very interesting pattern.

          • Escaping Atheism ن​

            Basically, it gets old dealing with people who wish to redefine reality by redefining words. If you want your own redefined words, you’ll need your own website. None of us owe you a discussion completely on your terms.

          • Martin R. Oakley

            As for pulling my post, I removed the argument of definition and changed it to “yes” without anything else. If you’re truly honest, you’ll approve it as that was your issue with my original post.

          • Escaping Atheism ن​

            The system tagged it as spam without my knowledge. It’s been approved.

          • James M

            But without intellectual honesty, how can one tell whether one should leave atheism or not ? If people wish to escape it – or to embrace it, for that matter – they have to be intellectually honest. Honesty is one and indivisible – it can’t be applied to some human choices, and be left aside until wanted when others are made. To be honest, is essential to human integrity. Otherwise one is living a lie. Conscience cannot flourish properly, if deformed in such a way. Lack of honesty in combatting (real or supposed) dishonesty, is intellectually self-contradictory.

            What you are supporting is not truthfulness, but pro-Christian propaganda. It is propagandistic, because it tosses intellectual honesty to one side, and concentrates purely on getting its own message across – regardless of the means adopted. Offences against the known truth are a kind of atheism. Is Christianity so feeble, so afraid of honesty and truthfulness, that it has to hide from them ?

            To leave atheism – good as that may be in principle – is a dishonest and therefore an immoral action, *if*one’s reasons for leaving are intellectually dishonest. You seem to be taking the position that the ends justify the means. The OP’s protest is entirely justified.

          • Escaping Atheism ن​

            “That you are supporting is not truthfulness, but pro-Christian propaganda”

            To some idiot who is an atheist cultist maybe. But your personal problems with the truth are not mine. Atheists are the most distrust of any group, even by other atheists. Truthiness is the battle cry of the Atheist and everyone knows it, except oddly atheists.

          • Pierre

            When you say “atheism” do you mean the word “atheism” or the concept of not believing a god exists?

          • Escaping Atheism ن​

            Definitions are here: escapingatheism.com/def

  • James M

    The lack of nuance and necessary distinctions in many of these questions is deplorable.

  • Pierre

    Can the hosts of this web site clarify something. Is it the word ‘atheism’ which this site is about or is it the concept of not believing a god or gods exist what this web site is about?

    • Escaping Atheism ن​

      No, but we will clarify that repeated attempts to engage us on the definition of the word atheism, which is here: escapingatheism.com/def will result in spam warnings and banning. This is your first warning and I only give 2 at most. This is the last one on a bad day.

  • Pierre

    Here’s how I’ll answer them:
    1 Atheism is not a belief, it’s lack of belief. It is totally non-ideological. AGREE
    2 Atheism says nothing whatsoever about your personality or your views. AGREE
    3 Atheism is about science, logic, reason, and evidence. Religion is the opposite of those things. DISAGREE
    4 Atheism is about facts over feelings. DISAGREE
    5 Atheism frees minds and teaches people how to think for themselves. DISAGREE
    6 There is no evidence for God. DEPENDS ON WHAT EVIDENCE MEANS

    7 Science is how we determine if things are true or not. FOR THE MOST PART, YES
    8 The reason we can trust science is that it frequently overturns itself if it turns out to be wrong. TO A REASONABLE DEGREE, YES
    9 Science is something that helps you overcome religion. DISAGREE
    10 Religion is delusional or brainwashing. SOMETIMES
    11 Overcoming religion is a good thing because it’s backward superstition holding back human progress and enlightenment. IN SOME CASES YES

    12 Skepticism is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific. NO POSITION ON THIS
    13 Occam’s Razor is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific. NO POSITION ON THIS

    14 If you see something that seems impossible, you must have imagined it or were always just fooled. MOST LIKELY YES
    15 The laws of physics don’t change or, if they do, they only change in ways scientists can predict and measure. NO POSITION ON THIS

    16 The human mind is entirely a property or function or emergent effects of chemicals. in the brain and/or Central Nervous System. AGREE
    17 There are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature. AGREE
    18 The laws of physics are explained by science. MOSTLY

    19 If God exists, human beings are intelligent, wise, and moral enough to pass judgement on God’s actions and motives.AGREED

    20 It is appropropriate to worry about the effects of religion on people, but there’s no reason to worry about Atheism. AGREE